SciiFii V3

Post by **corenting** » Sat 19 Jun 2010 21:33

Image unavailable (removed by its host) SciiFii, the homebrew that lets you hack your Wii easily, has been updated. It lets you install the main modifications via the Internet or ones downloaded beforehand via a PC tool.

What's new:

Added Wiigator's cMIOS
Added cIOS rev 19 base 37 on slot 250
Added Wiiflow
Fully configurable config.xml file
Fixed memory errors
Added a logging system
Improved config.xml file:

Added a filesystem management step
Removed the flags
The cIOS installer has been rewritten
CorpInstaller and SystemUpater now have their own configuration
Added CompositeInstaller to be able to group several steps together

Download & source: https://www.wiigen.fr/version-3-sciifii ... -4540.html

Post by **sherka** » Sun 20 Jun 2010 05:24

mamule wrote:hoping it goes better here

this program isn't for me, I like to understand the why and how of what I do. But that's another debate.
like kalidor said, I'm against sciifii, the corps whether cios or dark, anytitle deleter included in the tutorials like some ordinary, harmless dol file.

there you go.

I really regret missing this little mess tonight
did the IRC servers at least burn down?

hi

I'm like mamule and I agree
I like understanding what I'm doing but it's true this hack let noobs flash their wii without forcing it, sometimes leading to breakage

thanks anyway for the info

Post by **TheCoCo8** » Sun 20 Jun 2010 09:24

Thanks Corenting for this new topic!

And thanks also to mamule for giving your point of view, however:

mamule wrote:I really regret missing this little mess tonight
did the IRC servers at least burn down?

that's a bit much... ^^

Post by **Oops** » Sun 20 Jun 2010 10:25

2 posts for a piece of software meant to brick wiis!!?? I say that's too much ^^

Post by **Ekaitz** » Sun 20 Jun 2010 10:53

I hate this software.

It's by forging that one becomes a blacksmith! You have to understand what you're doing!

There, everything's automatic.

Personally I don't like the corp, it's not clean; Wiiflow + Neogamma runs everything; with bug fixes whenever there's an update...

Post by **darkscad** » Sun 20 Jun 2010 11:09

*you should always load a weapon bullet by bullet, to avoid it blowing up in your face on the first shot!

Post by **arasium** » Sun 20 Jun 2010 11:31

First of all, sorry, but since I'm on a qwerty keyboard, there won't be any accents in my message.

Hello everyone.

I'm taking the liberty of posting on this topic to clarify things.

I notice that a lot of people are talking with a lot of preconceived notions. First, I want to clarify that despite our name, we are independent from the wiigen site. When I started developing, I was on the wiigen forum (since then, I spend a lot less time there for the same reasons as safirion and others... But I continue to respect everyone's work because I find that very important). So, PLEASE don't associate sciifii with Wiigen (we had even considered changing our name to avoid this confusion).

Moreover, many of the grievances held against us are unfounded. I will try to recall them and explain to you why we made these choices, or on the contrary explain why the criticism isn't well-founded.

1 - Sciifii doesn't let you understand what you're doing.

There I agree with you, but not completely

Sciifii itself doesn't do anything. It's the configuration file that does everything. So, I'd rather say: the configuration shipped with sciifi doesn't let you understand what you're doing (and there I agree with you).
But Sciifii has two goals: to provide a turnkey tool for hacking a wii and (second goal) to provide a fully configurable tool for tinkerers. So, don't focus only on the configuration file, but think about the tool.

So, we tried to think about the different types of sciifii users. Those who don't give a damn about what's in the wii will like sciifii. The others might like to modify the xml
to turn it into a tool that fits their needs.

2 - Sciifii = Brick

There were 3 wiis bricked following sciifii v2. I'm sorry about that and I take my share of responsibility. I won't explain the reasons for the brick here because many wouldn't understand (but you can write to me by email, and I'll be happy to answer). This brick was due to the configuration file that was faulty for one type of wii (and only one type of wii).
This error has been fixed for a long time now (there are buggy versions of sciifii v2 floating around, but I can't help it if warez boards mirror the source and don't update when we fix things)

3 - If network cut => problem

Sciifii doesn't do anything to the nand until all the files have been downloaded. So, at this level you don't need to worry about a brick.

The ios and cios are checked. Contrary to what a sciifii developer said, there is a sha check inside the ios themselves. These checks are performed by sciifii (cios) or the wii (for classic ios). So no risk.

The other files carried a minimal risk. But in v3, all files are checked by sha. So, no more risk.

4 - The SD isn't cleaned

Yes that's true. In v2, we didn't allow cleaning the sd. We made this choice because we felt that the time to download the files was very long. So in order to optimize the process we don't clean the files.

In v3, there's an option to empty the working folder if you want.

During a network outage, the wii may get stuck while downloading an ios. If you cut the program, some pieces of the ios will remain on your sd. So the next time sciifii launches it will stop because it can't resume. But it will take the opportunity to clean up those pieces, and you'll be able to relaunch it again without any problem.

I'd also like to point out that some programs don't have this problem, because they use the wii's temporary folder as their working folder. Since this folder is emptied every time the ios reloads, there can be no problems. But we chose not to write to the nand for safety reasons (nand clogging, what happens in the event of a power outage, etc...)

5 - The corp stinks

Everyone is free to think what they want. But since it's true this modification is heavy and often unnecessary, the corp will only install in advanced mode. So after that, it's you who chooses to install it (you can't blame us).

6 - When sciifii crashes, you no longer know where you stand

You were right. And we made sure this wouldn't happen anymore. A log file is created on the sd and if your wii is connected, sciifii saves the log on our server (nothing private, only sciifii's progress status). So it's now possible to help someone who doesn't know what to do in case of an error.

7 - The usb loader alone is so much simpler.

Yes you're right. In fact, that's what sciifii does outside of advanced mode with the priiloader. Nothing more, nothing less.

Conclusion

I invite anyone with intelligent remarks to send them our way. We're trying to build a clean and useful tool. Likewise, for those with coding knowledge, I invite them to get in touch with us to judge the quality of our code and the security we've put into it. Being myself a consultant/trainer in an IT services company on Microsoft technologies, I can assure you that Sciifii wasn't coded just any old way. But like any program, a few bugs may remain.

My email/google talk for anyone who wants to have an intelligent discussion: arasium at google mail dot com

Post by **safirion** » Sun 20 Jun 2010 11:53

Hello Arasium

I won't make a very long post: it's not necessary because, for the first time, it's clear and said in a pleasant tone.

I realize that in the end, V3 fixes a lot of things (a log for where it stopped and a cleanup of the SD) and the explanation about the bricks encountered has convinced me to stop criticizing Sciifii so fiercely.

But, I don't think I'll ever use it.

Thanks to Arasium for these explanations

Post by **darkscad** » Sun 20 Jun 2010 12:04

safirion wrote:Hello Arasium

I won't make a very long post: it's not necessary because, for the first time, it's clear and said in a pleasant tone.
Thanks to Arasium for these explanations

It's true that it's clear and pleasant...
thanks arasium for your explanations.

ps: Being a wiiflow fan I'm happy that you integrated it into your homebrew.
otherwise I'll try it on a wii with a boot2 and a nand backup. cya

Post by **Ekaitz** » Sun 20 Jun 2010 12:08

Hi Arasium,

As a former wiigen member (Adriien) I don't go there anymore, for the same reasons as others...

Otherwise, I have nothing against your utility, it's just that v2 had created bricks, so my opinion on this program was categorical.

With v3 it looks like you and the team managed to fix things, and that's all to your credit.

Personally, I can only recommend a name change for the team. Team Wiigen was fine at one point, it is less so now.

Being a fan of Wiiflow since I've been on it since v1.0, I can only applaud the fact that it's integrated into SciiFii.

I'll take a look at the xml and once I have better coding skills, I'll look into SciiFii...

Thanks for coming to give us extra info.

I was long a fan of the corp because it really helps a lot; especially in case of a brick. I'll check if the latest corp, and especially the one integrated into SciiFii, is clean...

Post by **arasium** » Sun 20 Jun 2010 12:13

Thanks to you all. I would have liked to be able to give you this answer yesterday to cut short any escalation that I might have read here (I'm not accusing anyone, it's just an observation), but I only had my iphone.... So it was a bit hard to type all this text

Otherwise, I agree about changing the name. The problem is we're really lacking inspiration

PS: no, the corp isn't any cleaner than usual

I'm currently in the process of recoding the wii's ios in C (based on the reverse-engineering of the ios). And it's possible to make it cleaner, but it's very long...

Post by **TeToNN** » Sun 20 Jun 2010 12:16

arasium wrote:Thanks to you all. I would have liked to be able to give you this answer yesterday to cut short any escalation that I might have read here (I'm not accusing anyone, it's just an observation), but I only had my iphone.... So it was a bit hard to type all this text

Otherwise, I agree about changing the name. The problem is we're really lacking inspiration

And that the site is already under the team's name x).
Well I apologize too but it had annoyed me that people talked about our work like that

.

PS: Regarding the darkcorp, we all know dla is quite the tinkerer :p

Post by **arasium** » Sun 20 Jun 2010 12:21

The website, we can change its name without any problem :) it's just a DNS registration

Post by **JeanMi59226** » Sun 20 Jun 2010 13:26

Hello Mamule, to respond to your comments anyway, do you think it's the higher-ups who make the site, personally I'm among the people who help the most on Wiigen, so I take what you say a bit personally, and the other members helping on the Wiigen site, so to be clear I'm not talking about a war between sites, but really about the fact that it's people who make things run, and that thinking you're above everyone else doesn't move things forward, I think you've all forgotten that you all started one day, without any knowledge, just like me, and that sometimes, simplicity, even if you don't quite know where you're going, is sometimes the best thing, because what do noobs want, take a backup dvd and play right away, that's it, take care everyone. and almost no hard feelings.

Remember, not everyone has a high level in IT, far from it, stay humble.

Post by **arasium** » Sun 20 Jun 2010 14:53

Thanks for this invitation, but we don't work for any particular site.....

Otherwise, to show the power of this tool and to put an end to certain arguments that I consider bad, I'm offering you this config file:

https://www.megaupload.com/?d=I3C9X450

This file doesn't do anything automatically (unlike the one provided by default). It lets you do what other tools do, but here in a single tool. So you're free to explain step by step what's happening.

I hope that with this config file, you'll finally understand what sciifii really is

Post by **Oops** » Sun 20 Jun 2010 15:07

Hi arasium,

sorry I don't have much time for you (train to catch) but I owe you at least that (others do too ^^)
First, I congratulate you for your fair play because you didn't come here to yell/insult despite all the nasty things that were said about your work, which even if they were often justified, we, admittedly, were never nice nor took your work into account.
I apologize for that and thank you for all the details you provided about your soft.

Nevertheless I'll stick to my position and will continue not to use or recommend your soft so as not to breed generations of idiots. And I think you understand that

on tgames and see ya

Post by **arasium** » Sun 20 Jun 2010 15:15

I understand, and that's why I attached another config file just above

Indeed, I understand and admire your courage in explaining everything properly (me, I gave up from the moment I realized people weren't taking the time to hit the search button).

With this file, I don't see how your argument holds up? Or maybe I don't understand...

Post by **Oops** » Sun 20 Jun 2010 15:27

ok but as for me, I've often found myself in front of the search button and eventually facing your 5000-message-long topics with no faq summary on the first post and answers like search or read (5000 messages

) I'm more lenient

Post by **Ekaitz** » Sun 20 Jun 2010 16:37

I'll take a look at the proposed config.

Know that you're welcome anyway, to stop by and say hi or simply come see what's happening here.
And I think it would be nice for you to come show your work and tell us more about it in detail, because here, we like to understand!

We have quite a few connections with certain wii devs.

I'm thinking in particular of Jiiwah who is in contact with the Wiiflow team.

Post by **TeToNN** » Sun 20 Jun 2010 18:35

No problem my friend

Post by **sherka** » Sun 20 Jun 2010 20:26

hi,

here's a constructive topic

we give our opinion on sciifii v2 and arasium explains to us that everything's fine and everything's fixed in V3
and there I say hats off sir
because not an ounce of nastiness in the explanations, fair and precise remarks, I say thanks to the other members for their insight and the respect you all show, which is rare nowadays in this world

our goal is to have fun with our favorite console and to share our common knowledge

regards

Post by **shunite** » Sun 20 Jun 2010 22:47

+1 I won't use SciiFii but I salute the work done on this project and also the explanations given by arasium.

Post by **arasium** » Mon 21 Jun 2010 07:08

Thanks

I'm happy to see that you've finally gotten past your prejudices and that you've taken the time to properly evaluate the product.

As for devs on TGame, I say why not. After all, I don't think you and we are trying to develop the same kind of software

Anyway, we're going to release our source code publicly (well, only the part that's finished). So I'll stop by to give the url and if any devs are interested, let them get in touch.

PS: Even though I never post, I read your forum because you find some genuinely interesting things there. By the way, if anyone here knows a lot about creating animated channels (legal ones, not made from WiiWare channels or others), let them get in touch

Post by **Jiiwah** » Mon 21 Jun 2010 12:18

I've finally just read this topic.

Well as for me I've never tried sciifii, I have my own hacking habits. Habits that sometimes change when new software comes out, but sciifii didn't convince me for the sole reason that it was automated. I don't really know what the latest version does, but as for me, I'm at 249rev17 - 250rev19/57 - 222v4/38 4.1E, can sciifii do that for me?
Then for someone who's new and just wants to hack their wii to play games, sciifii might be able to do it.

@arasium: very nice of you to come talk to us, and with courtesy too despite our refusal of your soft

Are you Quebecois?

Post by **arasium** » Mon 21 Jun 2010 12:45

Nope, not quebecois at all

Otherwise, to answer your question, yes sciifii can do everything you ask it to.

You don't like the automated part => No problem, just modify the xml (see the one provided as an example in this topic).

You want several cIOS => no problem either

By the way with the provided xml, it installs 249rev17 and 250rev19 base 57 (like you). We didn't include hermes' because with waninkoko's in rev19 base 57, all the games run fine (with Wiiflow, not the loaderGX). To add hermes' cios, you just have to take waninkoko's as a model and replace the modules (and the ios number).

There you go...

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